Perch situation on Lake Michigan

X-Ray,

That's a great question, no offense to Robb for starting this thread but unless there is some meaningful info coming up to share, my guess it will die. Unless we see a new member here called Walranger6

IMO this should have been done years ago........Yes it was funny and such....but after 5yrs it was still the same thing over and over and over......

Tommy is finally toast.  All of his posts are gone (all of them back to the beginning of the thread) which I think means he is banned?

Will the thread just die or will it become something useful?

When Tom talks about "right strain disease free" I wonder where he plans on getting the stock that is indigenous to main basin LM. I wonder if his thinking is  the bay of Green bay, Grand Traverse Bay, or the finger lakes bordering  the western shore of LM. Knowing he has no understanding of LM  biology, no wonder all his petitions are filed in the trash can.  Tom,please tell us where you are going to obtain the seed stocks from?

Amar,

That is why a few weeks ago I predicted Tom will never put a perch in LM legally.

Just notice it looks like someone just got banned...poof goes his posts.

I find it amazing that as soon as we get the real details of why this plan was rejected it turns into insults. I gave some very good suggestions and instead of responding in a semi-rational manner, it's belligerence and insults. Insulting those who disagree with you won't change the facts...

There are a lot of organizations out there that somehow get all their permits approved, working with them to achieve a goal is a realistic approach, chicken manure in farm pond with Christmas trees is not.

It's a moot point, anyway. It's not like wally is going to be able to put some Christmas trees in the water, grab perch eggs, raise them and release them without getting caught and/or the fish not surviving.

Risk of disease would be abated if you used a certified aquaculturist. Strain would be abated if you used eggs from captured wild stock. Cost would be abated if you already had the funding secured.

They provide a wonderful list on their site of approved aquaculturists you can use. If you can secure a grant to capture, raise, and release X-quantity of fish and apply to stock only that many, there goes that excuse.

I'm not going to engage in slinging insults. Your answer was enough and was exactly what I suspected. You did not meet the criteria laid out on the permit application and were subsequently denied. You didn't cross your T's and dot your I's.  Work with a biologists on what you need to do (I'm sure a local college/university will know of someone who would volunteer their time) or even with a group like Walleyes for Tomorrow on how to accomplish this.

2 million perch is a lot of bathtubs

and there is at least one logical reason why your permit is dead on arrival.  You do not have the $$.

Oh the irony.....

The S.O.N.S. (Save Our Native Species) of Lake Erie stock invasive species into Presque Isle Bay: Steelhead and Brown Trout. 

I'm not afraid of anything, I asked a simple question. You say that crossing the T's and dotting the I's won't help but you won't get anything done otherwise. What was the exact reason for denial? Is that such a hard question to answer?

Also, 10,280 did not want anything. 10,280 responded to the survery. The majority (not all!) of respondents stated that it should be the #1 priority, FACAS said invasive species control should be #1. The overall number was less than 90% of the respondents. Maybe if you stuck to straight facts you could garner more support.

At the 3 for $1.00 price you quoted us earlier it'd only cost $666,666.67 to put 2 million perch in Lake Michigan. Where can I send my money I'd love to help?

I wonder if the survey touted is the 2012 survey that had 10,280 respondents. Native species restoration and invasive species control were tied for those the public felt should be top priority. If it's the same survey that is not the same as 10,280 wanting it, simply that the majority of the respondents felt that way. BTW, it was for all Michigan waters, inland and Great Lakes...

http://www.michigandnr.com/FTP/wildlife/NRCMaterials/2013%20NRC%20Meetings/April%202013%20NRC%20meeting/2012%20Fisheries%20Div%20Annual%20Report.pdf

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/dnr/Summary_of_public_survey_408027_7.pdf

Same story he's been selling since 2013, except the narrative has...shifted somewhat. https://greatlakesecho.org/2013/05/09/spring-brings-fish-stocking-regulation-changes/comment-page-1/

I'd still like to know the official reason for the denial but I expect a rant will ensue where the actual reasoning is never stated remotely close to verbatim...

hmmmmm, lets see how many ways they can deny his permit.

1. Never actually sent one in.  Check!

2. Failed to completely fill out public waters permit. Check!

• strain of fish
• how many fish
• when you are going to stock
• size you are going to stock
• fish health certificate

3. No source of fish. Check!

• Facility name
• facility address
• Managers name
• Managers address

4. Stocking inconsistent with waterbody DNR goals.  Check!

• something like we are trying to get the lower food web back into shape and dumping a bunch bathtub tub perch aren't helping.
• proposed perch are not Lake Michigan strain.

5. No credible source of funds. Check!