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12/2/13 @ 8:37 PM
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Brent Hess
Brent Hess
PRO MEMBER User since 12/18/07
Given that most of us are avid outdoorsmen, I thought this was worth passing on.   The overwhelming majority of folks with Lyme disease have no idea what they have, and many times end up with a false diagnosis of Fibromyalgia, or no diagnosis at all.  Now that I finally have a diagnosis of advanced Lyme disease (about 4 months now), I’ve ran across two people with similar symptoms, who as it turns out, also have Lyme disease.   Lyme disease is showing up in more and more people every year.   The Milwaukee Journal recently ran a story about this on the front page.   Lyme disease is misunderstood by most physicians, and the standard test for Lyme disease is only accurate around 60% of the time.   Here is how it started for me…. About 4 years ago I began to have aches and pains in weird places – shooting pains in the back of my head, shin, and forearm.   This went on for a year or so.  Nobody could figure out what it was, so I just dealt with it.  My primary care physician gave me an Elisa Lyme test.  It showed no Lyme infection, so he told me to take Advil when it got too bad.   Over the next year my ears began to ring, and my joints (hips, elbows, knees) began to hurt.  I went to a Neurologist, and a Rheumatoid doctor, they also gave me an Elisa Lyme test, which again turned out negative.  By this time, I was beginning to realize that something was seriously wrong with me, only nobody could find it.  I was tired with limited energy most days.   I had MRI’s and Cscans, arthritis tests, MS tests, and a dozen others that I can't recall – no one could find a darn thing wrong with me.   Slowly but surely, in addition to the symptoms noted above, new symptoms showed up steadily for the next two years.  I began to have GI problems coupled with chest pain.  I went through all sorts of GI tests from an upper GI endoscopy, to a test for esophagitis, to esophageal spasms.  All turned up negative.  Then my heart began to beat erratically, and I underwent a nuclear stress test.  Again, nobody could find a darn thing wrong with me.   Then this past Summer, things got so bad that I would get turned around in the town where I live, and had a hard time remembering how to get to my house, I was easily confused.  I felt like I was walking around in a daze.  I had a hard time thinking, and it became difficult to get out of bed.   The worst symptom I had was a feeling of anxiety in my chest.  Not sure how to describe it – I felt like I was going on trial for Capital Murder the next day.   It was just plain horrible.   It came to head when I was driving with my wife and kids (in the town that I live in), and I went the wrong way down a one way street.  Thank heavens nobody was coming. My wife talked me into going to Mayo - somebody had to be able to figure out what was wrong with me.     I ended up confiding in a coworker that I was going to take a leave of absence, and was going to Mayo to see if they could figure out what was wrong with me.  I was beyond desperate at this point.  I truly thought I was dying.  I hurt absolutely everywhere, my BP  was 150 over 110, I was anxious all the time.   Thank the lord my co-worker had some experience with Lyme, and pointed me to the right doctor.  I was skeptical because I had already tested negative for Lyme 3 times by 3 different doctors. Even though I was skeptical, I made the appointment.  The Lyme doctor gave me a CD57 test, which is an extremely effective test for Lyme disease.   The doctor explained that the Lyme test that is typically given by a general MD is extremely inaccurate, and should not be relied upon when a negative diagnosis is given. At any rate, the CD57 test works like this:   A level of less than 20 will put you in a wheelchair, a level of 20 to 60 is an extremely active infection, 60 to 150 represents  a Lyme infection, and anything above 200 is considered normal.  I had a 42.  I can’t even imagine the poor guy who has less than 20. I’ve been on Doxycycline for 3.5 months now and am slowly recovering.   Here is the really crazy part.  After I received a Lyme diagnosis I happened to see my cousin camping, who I do not see frequently.  Before he sat down to the campfire he started stretching, then began to tell me how bad he hurts.  After I listened, I told him to go see a Lyme specialist, his symptoms were spot on with mine.  Oddly enough, as it turns out, he had Lyme disease too.  Then while working with an outside contractor at work, one of the guys was telling me about his sudden aches and pains.  They were not spot on with mine, but pretty close.  He also ended up with a diagnosis of Lyme.  Both my cousin and the contractor had been tested previously for Lyme and tested negative.   I figure, as many of us on this site who spend a considerable time outdoors, I can’t be the only one, and thought I would share what I know.  Lyme manifests itself in so many different ways.  I don’t ever recall being bit by a tick, I never had a bullseye rash, I just started to get symptoms.   I can't tell you how awesome it was to finally get a definitive diagnosis.
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4/19/22 @ 6:41 PM
Brent Hess
Brent Hess
PRO MEMBER User since 12/18/07

I introduced the little guy to my bic lighter… 

Lyme Disease photo by Plmlk
Lyme Disease photo by Plmlk
4/19/22 @ 6:38 PM
Brent Hess
Brent Hess
PRO MEMBER User since 12/18/07

Not a dumb question at all my friend!

I was at home taking my pup for a walk.

A few years back you only had to worry about deer ticks in the Northwoods… 

As in the southern part of the state we only had harmless wood ticks. 

Fast forward to present, and deer ticks are as prevalent down here as the Northwoods. 

I had undiagnosed Lyme for years about 10-years ago, and I want no part of going back there!

Threw my cloths in the dryer (the dry heat kills ticks in about 10 minutes, they will live right through a cycle in the wash machine), stripped down and searched myself from head to toe. 


4/19/22 @ 6:30 PM
Skihog
Skihog
User since 4/7/22

Brent .

..assuming at home and not north? I know dumb question...lol

4/19/22 @ 5:44 PM
Brent Hess
Brent Hess
PRO MEMBER User since 12/18/07

If you go out in the woods or brush, check, check, and check again…

Just pulled this guy off me.

Such nasty little Lyme carrying vermin!

Lyme Disease photo by Plmlk
4/1/22 @ 10:19 AM
Musky99
User since 8/8/11

Dog had his first tick of the season this week.

Waukesha county.  

Ugggghhhhh!??

10/18/21 @ 11:27 PM
RangerKid
User since 6/26/01

Almost sounds like the perfect solution BassA. Usually the trade offs or downsides, are a lot more significant. I wonder if the treatment would  work on some of the co-infections.

10/18/21 @ 9:42 AM
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10/6/21 @ 12:54 PM
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9/16/21 @ 10:23 PM
RangerKid
User since 6/26/01

Muskey99, you mentioned you saw clothes with the permethrin embedded (it's heat infused) in it. My opinion is that is by far and away, the best route to go.  Spraying it on yourself only lasts for a short time and gets pricey after doing it mutable times, plus your time to do it. If you search online you can get the Elimitick clothing at good prices, and it lasts the life of the clothing. Ticks are not going away anytime soon, and the diseases they pass on as Brent outlined can be devastating. I for the most part never go in the woods without wearing my tick clothing. I've only had two ticks on me in four years of wearing my tick clothing. The cost is insignificant  compared to the thousands I have spent fighting Babesia, which is a co-infection of Lyme. With deer ticks, it's better to be proactive with prevention, when it's so easy to do.

9/14/21 @ 6:26 PM
Musky99
User since 8/8/11

Thanks for the feedback.

I am heading up grouse hunting in a few weeks and want be more prepared than last year.   Last year they were awful!

9/14/21 @ 6:00 PM
JACKWAGON 999
User since 8/12/20

With this wet humid summer, ticks have been pretty active this whole year. I wear rubber boots with pants tucked in.

9/14/21 @ 4:08 PM
DuckSlayin88
User since 9/13/11

Musky - best product I have found is permethrin. The brand Sawyer is the one most found at stores (Walmart, Fleet Farm, Amazon. Like $10-$15 a bottle and it will last on your clothes for 6 weeks. Hope this helps... they are much worse for me in spring than in fall

9/14/21 @ 3:53 PM
Musky99
User since 8/8/11

With hunting season around the corner, how do you guys prevent ticks?  

I saw there are some clothes with chemicals embedded, they are pricey, not a bad idea.  If they work. 

 Or are you just better off spraying with a spray.  If so which is best?

3/11/21 @ 9:31 AM
Brent Hess
Brent Hess
PRO MEMBER User since 12/18/07

That is a good question Larry, I’ll give you what I’ve learned over the years - which has been quite a journey. 

The CD57 is useful for benchmarking Lyme treatment progress, not as useful for the initial diagnosis. 

Most doctors will order an Elisha Lyme test which misses 40% of active cases. In short, a positive Elisha test verifies a Lyme infection, but a negative test does not rule it out. 

Very few labs are proficient at Lyme tests, and are extremely inaccurate - which is consistent with my experience. 

The best lab in the Lyme business is Igenex (see attached screenshot) Dynacare is also a decent lab.

The other interesting thing, is that the average deer tick can carry up to 24 other Piroplasms (Babesia, Bartonella, Ehrlichia, Anapplasma, Rickettsia, etc), many for which the diagnosis is clinical, and the symptoms are equally as detrimental. 

Luckily Doxy works well on most of them. 

I went to the chief neurologist at Froedert, arthritis doctors, primary care doctor, even GI Associates before I finally landed on a doctor proficient with Lyme. 

It’s not that your doctor doesn’t want to help, they are just not educated in Lyme. 

An oncologist practices oncology, a cardiologist cardiology, and a Lyme Doctor practices Lyme diagnosis and treatment. 

If anyone needs doctor info, shoot me a pm. 





3/11/21 @ 7:48 AM
larryallen
PRO MEMBER User since 12/4/02

https://lymescience.org/cd57-testing-chronic-lyme/

CD57 testing for Chronic Lyme: Meaningless and a waste of money? Not taking sides, I am just confused. 

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